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Post by bak on Aug 5, 2007 18:38:42 GMT -5
Steve, I genuinely appreciate that. And, yes, I agree, this is more about my decision to stay away from the genre than it is about my ability to make critical judgments about the work. I'll read WATCHMEN before I make fun of superheroes again.
OK, that's probably a lie. But I'll behave myself just the same and maybe maybe maybe try to open my mind a bit to engaging work which I normally wouldn't read. I want that we should have some interesting discussions around here and I have a lot to learn.
Please just don't make fun or me for reading the new Betty and Veronica.
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Post by srbissette on Aug 5, 2007 20:43:51 GMT -5
"Mind like parachute -- only function when open." [- Warner Oland as Charlie Chan, quoted from CHARLIE CHAN AT THE CIRCUS, 1936]
Betty and Veronica -- digest or full-size comic? Emily is the ARCHIE universe expert of CCS thus far... mayhaps you will usurp her crown?
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Post by bak on Aug 5, 2007 21:55:31 GMT -5
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Post by srbissette on Aug 6, 2007 7:16:45 GMT -5
Ya, I know -- Kamikaze self-destruct on the Betty and Veronica front! Archie must look like Corey Feldman in the new 'realistic' ARCHIE universe...
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Post by catgarza on Aug 6, 2007 12:16:13 GMT -5
betty and veronica look totally hawt
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Post by srbissette on Aug 6, 2007 13:25:00 GMT -5
And bulemic. The new mode of B&V, that is.
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Post by morgan on Aug 6, 2007 15:23:15 GMT -5
I'm just surprised by the "new" look. I would have thought that going faux-anime would have made slightly more sense; what with it being "in" and "hip" and "the cat's meow" with the kids these days. Plus, the old school Archie look has some similarities in design to manga in the way the faces are constructed.
Blue hair!
-Morgan
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Post by bryanstone on Aug 6, 2007 15:51:19 GMT -5
Don't forget 'the bee's knees' morgan!
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Post by bak on Aug 6, 2007 22:03:52 GMT -5
OK, so where all others have failed, you guys have somehow convinced me to try. I started reading Watchmen tonight. So far, it's pretty much what I expected. But I'm giving it a chance.
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Post by bryanstone on Aug 7, 2007 13:16:00 GMT -5
steve, you mentioned 'New Gods' earlier. A friend gave me a copy to read and, while I wasn't too anxious to start it, I've really loved it! I just finished the chapter with 'The Black Racer'. Good stuff!
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Post by srbissette on Aug 7, 2007 14:04:14 GMT -5
Wait till you get to "Glory Boat," "The Death Wish of Terrible Turpin" and (amazing) "The Pact" -- DC killing the series was among the comics crimes of the '70s, right up there with the shameful treatment and ripple effects of the Filipino cartoonists...
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Post by bak on Aug 7, 2007 16:14:02 GMT -5
About halfway through, it's kind of what I expected. Maybe slightly more complicated, plot-wise, than I anticipated. Thematically, I think there are some interesting ideas with memory--or, rather, nostalgia--transpiring (only insofar as what the medium is capable of and not beyond the conventions of seemingly transient associations) but the characterization is kind of stiff. The motivations of some of the characters (Hollis Mason, for example) are problematic, at best, and addressing any serious psychological evaluation by dismissing it through an "autobiographical" narrative is an easy trick, but evading the issue still fails to provide us with any real depth. The issue of why these charcaters are so fundamentally incapable of introspection (and why there are so many of them) has also not been addressed (yet). Is Dr. Manhattan supposed to be a metaphor for the "X-Men" (he's unlike other "superheroes" who appeared before the "silver age" 1960s, he's an enigma and a scientist who physically--and in name--resembles Dr. X, he's a mutation etc)? Anyhow, maybe I'm way off-base. I'll keep reading.
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Post by catgarza on Aug 7, 2007 20:45:12 GMT -5
NEW GODS was an amazing series. I used to pick up copies in my comics career's "formative years" at Half Price Books in Corpus Christi, Texas as a kid during vacations. Those were the years I discovered a lot of cool shit... marvel monster comics, kirby's 70's work, Rick Geary, Star Reach, Space Beaver, Miami Mice, Radioactive Adolescent Blackbelt Hamsters, Vaghn Bode, Bring on the Bad Guys I and II, 60's Marvel reprints, the Spirit... the list goes on and on..
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Post by morgan on Aug 8, 2007 19:31:30 GMT -5
Is Dr. Manhattan supposed to be a metaphor for the "X-Men" (he's unlike other "superheroes" who appeared before the "silver age" 1960s, he's an enigma and a scientist who physically--and in name--resembles Dr. X, he's a mutation etc)? Anyhow, maybe I'm way off-base. I'll keep reading. I think he's supposed to be a metaphore for Superman i.e. the all-powerful god-hero. My interpretation was that one of the things Moore was exploring was how the presence of such a being would have a ripple effect both technologically and culturally. Of course I could be wrong. He could represent the Republic of Ireland. -M
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Post by srbissette on Aug 9, 2007 9:52:36 GMT -5
Superman and America (the flip side of Rorschach) -- that's the ticket for Dr. Manhattan.
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